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FeuerFrei · Sep 29, 2005, 08:59 AM // 08:59

Ive been reading several posts about Quickshot Builds and i was wondering...doesnt barrage do more damage over time? Barrage has 0 casting time whereas Quickshot has a 1s casting time...thus theoratically, if we compare..

1st second Normal shot Normal shot
2nd second Barrage Quickshot
3rd second Normal Shot Quickshot shoots
4th second Barrage Normal shot
5th second Normal shot Quickshot
6th second Barrage Quickshot shoots
......and so on....
As we can see..barrage is much more spammable compared to quickshot...and barrage also adds 1-13 damage per shot...while quickshot...is well still the same damage...so can anybody enlighten me as to why people prefer quickshot builds to barrage builds?

Makkert · Sep 29, 2005, 09:08 AM // 09:08

barrage strips all preperations if my memory serves me right...
that is a big reason.

M3lk0r · Sep 29, 2005, 09:19 AM // 09:19

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Originally Posted by Makkert

barrage strips all preperations if my memory serves me right...
that is a big reason.

Aye. In PvE I've used Barrage with Judges Insight + TF but you spread yourself too thin with attribute points.

FeuerFrei · Sep 29, 2005, 09:23 AM // 09:23

Oh btw...this is regards to PvP

Bast · Sep 29, 2005, 09:23 AM // 09:23

Barrage has a 0 second cast time because it runs at the same speed as a normal bow attack, which is slower than 1 second.

Ishamael Sedai · Sep 29, 2005, 04:49 PM // 16:49

punishing shot ftw...

carnivore · Sep 29, 2005, 10:09 PM // 22:09

well if u actually tried, u would know it doesnt work that way. i dont know actual numbers but bast is right, barrage is dependant on the bow's attack speed, 2 seconds at best.

and punishing shot, is only good in combo with other bow attacks. on it's own its worthless....but u can say that about QS to lol

Ender Ward · Sep 29, 2005, 11:31 PM // 23:31

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Originally Posted by carnivore

on it's own its worthless....but u can say that about QS to lol

You're joking, rigiht?

Quickshot is the best Ranger attack, bar none.

smurfhunter · Sep 29, 2005, 11:46 PM // 23:46

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Originally Posted by Ender Ward

You're joking, rigiht?

Quickshot is the best Ranger attack, bar none.

er aah hmmm uhh no.

carnivore · Sep 30, 2005, 12:57 AM // 00:57

lol ok plink quickshot without a kindle or conjure.

and i agree, its the best attack

FeuerFrei · Sep 30, 2005, 02:25 AM // 02:25

Err...i still dont get it....do arrow speeds affect rate of fire??? if it doesnt..then i still dont get why barrage loses out to quickshot
...

carnivore · Sep 30, 2005, 02:45 AM // 02:45

when u activate barage it fires with the refire rate of whatever bow your using. when u fire quickshot it turns the refire to 1second

Ender Ward · Sep 30, 2005, 05:52 AM // 05:52

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Originally Posted by carnivore

lol ok plink quickshot without a kindle or conjure.

Uh, why wouldn't you use a preparation? What's stopping you, exactly?

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Originally Posted by carnivore

when u activate barage it fires with the refire rate of whatever bow your using. when u fire quickshot it turns the refire to 1second

This is incorrect. Quickshot's firing animation is 2x faster than what your bow attack would normally be.
Without QZ, using a Short/Flat/Halfmoon bow and under an attack speed boost, you can fire off a QS in 0.67 seconds, but then you have to wait 1 second for it to recycle. Which brings your refire rate to 1.67 seconds, if you're just hitting QS as soon as it recycles (overriding the normal attack that would've taken place).

That's why it makes alot more sense to go normal shot -> QS -> normal -> QS ... etc.

pagansaint · Sep 30, 2005, 07:26 AM // 07:26

Quickshot and Barrage are for different purposes really.

For a concentrated attack on a single individual, Quickshot is far superior since it allows you to use preparations and fires at 1s.

For any grouped enemies Barrage cuts them to pieces by making the monks spread their healing over alot of targets. But you can't use preperations with the attack while firing at a normal non elite, non interrupt attack speed.

Want to slap those 2/3 warriors beating up your monk? Want to hose down an alter?
Get a team together that can utilize:
Barrage
Winnowing
Favorable Winds
Order of the Vampire
Order of Pain
Judge's Insight
<Edit> (I'm a moron, ranged builds can't use my melee buff setup, NOT SoH.)
And they kind of just melt away from severe over loading on their monks who are also trying to keep themselves alive.

Multiple Healing seeds counter this easily but if you are running around without enchant removal you are asking to get beaten.

Ender Ward · Sep 30, 2005, 07:31 AM // 07:31

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Originally Posted by pagansaint

Get a team together that can utilize:
Barrage

...

Strength of Honor

Strength of Honour is melee only.

Dont Look At My · Sep 30, 2005, 07:38 AM // 07:38

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Originally Posted by Ender Ward

Strength of Honour is melee only.

seems so, who could just post something like that ....

pagansaint · Sep 30, 2005, 07:59 AM // 07:59

Bleh sorry was thinking of what I was running in a build for Cyclone Axe use, based around the same idea for Fear Me! and taking an alter. Actually was looking at that build and didn't take out SoH when I put Favorable Winds in.

And after that ignorance I take myself to bed, I obviously need it. :P

JYX · Sep 30, 2005, 08:19 AM // 08:19

this my friends...is where interrupt spamming comes in...

FeuerFrei · Sep 30, 2005, 10:35 AM // 10:35

Oh...im beginning to see the point....so..lets say...we cast favourable winds and do a quickshot, the speed of arrows will increase 2x......thus making...the rate of fire...faster which would increase DPS..am i not wrong?

jesh · Sep 30, 2005, 06:47 PM // 18:47

Favorable winds increases the *arrow* speed to target, not the attack speed. Ender's earlier post about QZ+QS is a little off, because in a patch they made it so recharge times don't drop below 1 sec. The reason people don't use QZ anymore is because it doesn't do anything. QS is just better because you get in that extra arrow between regular shots, and the preps don't go off. I suppose there is a place for JI+Barrage, but I don't ever use it. *shrug*